Archived SL 2000 Public Posts of Note

Re: I Want

To set the record straight, I didn't say "Maybe I just don't want to play or be in the Summer League anymore". -My actual comments were laced with profanity.

Do not confuse my competitiveness with a desire to not be in the league. I look at two games that sort of got away and at the time was quite upset. Is there not an owner amongst us who cannot understand that?

Sure I lost it by the end of the night. I was desperate, grasping at straws, trying to reconcile wins and losses, playoff hopes and slugging percentages. I said some angry things. That is who I am. I make no apologies. Plus, it will make an interesting 41 game report topic.

posted by Bob Taterka 4/21/00

Re: I Want

> The only anger I have leftover from Friday night is the fact that you
> didn't
> bring 2 bags of cookies and 4 bags of chips. I lost the bet to Ken.
>

one final comment on this situation and then i would be glad to let it die. it is really just an observation.

i suppose for all of us the summer league is a mixture of fun and competition. for me i would guess it is about 50/50, for some it is probably 90/10 fun and for others it is 90/10 competition.

the interesting thing about friday is that bob let it slip that he isn't just 100 percent fun. which is good. and i won't begin to suggest what the proper mix is, b/c that is probably different for everybody.

i am just really glad i am in the league, and i love all of you guys.

who has a kleenex? i'm getting misty.

posted by Dave Basler 4/21/00

Re: I Want

Steve,

The only anger I have leftover from Friday night is the fact that you didn't bring 2 bags of cookies and 4 bags of chips. I lost the bet to Ken.

I appreciate your commitment to S.L., your ability to take a ribbing, and your friendship. Let's get on with the season.

posted by Bob Taterka 4/21/00

last night

so graham and ken played 5, but that wasn't the story. the story was the phenomenal success of ken's microphone. we discovered the mic in the last series arvada played vs. ken last season, and even with that very limited experience (didn't really have it but for a game or two) we knew it'd help immensely. and it did. it was a little weird cuz we didn't have one, and would have to communicate with IM, but we could hear everything he said (including an unforunate-for-ken called 3 run shot for giles).

so anyways, everyone run out and get mics and speakers.

posted by Greg Nims 4/21/00

Re: I Want

> Bob said ... Maybe I just don't want to play or be in Summer League anymore.

Our league don't exist in a vaccuum, as they say. The SL is a living and breathing entity. If any of us feel we're getting the shaft on anything SL-related, we should voice our concern as we see fit, but as someone once said to me -- "I would rather vacate my position as owner than put up with shit like this. I thought this was supposed to be fun, and that we were all grown ups when it came to treating each other fairly. ... I can't understand is your lack of consideration to the rest of us. ...Overtures to the future of you and the S.L. throw a dark cloud over what has always been a great experience."

posted by Keith Klein 4/20/00

I Want

I want Dave to be my legal counsel. Always.

Bob left Friday night (Saturday morning) in disgust and muttering. While not verbatim, the muttering went along : First I get screwed out of a game I'm winning late and big against Greg's team and PJ. Than Randy Johnson gets hurt in the replay and I lose. Next, a game I wasn't winning but WON gets taken away from me. If it's not the damn computer freezing up and costing me a victory it's the damn game itself. This is b___s___. You know, maybe I don't want to spend my efforts or time in an activity where I get screwed by things. Maybe I just don't want to play or be in Summer League anymore. I'm thinking a constrained YIKES!

Three minutes later, Chris and I heard tires locking up and a screeching sound coming from the vicinity of Cuba Road. (Or maybe Chris dreamt that).

When Chris called later in the weekend and said he found and added the game, I wasn't thinking because it was the right thing to do but that it was fair for Bob and would hopefully calm him somewhat so that he would continue in SL. So when I sent out the email Monday saying how I was ok in allowing the game to count and Chris replied "Well why not. You played the game and it was found and included. Of course it should count." it was (for me at least) like "Oh yeah". Of course. I was just letting the league know that since it was a game that was replayed and hence not counted and now it was found and being counted against my team that I was ok with it because hopefully Bob would be pleased. Hence staying in Summer League.

I'm always doing those things for Summer League which don't show up in the box score. Ken, Chris and Keith will tell you that I was Lonnie Shelton before being Lonnie Shelton was cool. All of us had a Jack Sikma impersonation. Mr. Klein, the handful of times he played with us, could continuously make a running layup 90 degrees from the hoop off the back board. Swimming? Try all day. Until the lake closed for the night and than it was dice, cards and Al Oliver.

posted by Steve Swinea 4/20/00

Re: My Friend - Bob

> please enlighten us how disallowing the "lost" game from the
> ORG file is "good for the league".
>

i think what steve is trying to say is that he was willing to allow the game to count at first only because he was trying to maintain league peace (good for the league), but now he understands that it probably should have counted all along under existing league rules.

posted by Dave Basler 4/20/00

Re: My Friend - Bob

It is quite understandable to be upset after winning a game and not having it count. Greg was upset when it happened last year and Bob was upset when it happened this year. A major difference was last year we didn't know how to retrieve a lost outcome and add it into League Manager and Statmaster. This year, Chris was able to locate the lost outcome and have it added into League Manager and Statmaster.

While Bob's offer of refusing to allow the original game 3 to count, I'm in agreement with others that it should count. I didn't see it that way at first. I just wanted Bob to stay in SL and was voluntarily willing to let the game stand as an appeasement. Chris's email, the way he stated it, made me see the situation the way others had. So I changed from a "good for the league stance" to "it makes logical sense". If we were aware during the Hot Stove meeting that completed lost games could be retrieved and added into League Manager and Statmaster, the SL rule would have been much more specific in stating that only unretrievable contests be replayed. This makes me wonder if the game auto saves as it goes along and if an E machine freeze up occurs, could we just pull the game back up from the point at where it froze at. The game probably (definitely) doesn't do this. So add this feature along with misclicking replays. :)

Anyhow, both game 3s stand. When Bob and I meet again and I'm the home team, we will just skip our game 3 matchup of Maddux VS Sele.

posted by Steve Swinea 4/20/00

Re: My Friend - Bob

> the trials and tribulations with the emachine, and the spirit in which the
> competition is intended, I feel it would be inappropriate to deviate from
> the rule which was adopted over the summer. If there is a screwup, the game
> is replayed. I understood the rule then and I understand it now.
>

i don't know why you and steve "martyr" swinea seem to think that this situation doesn't fall under the "official SL rule we all agreed to". we agreed that the game is official if it gets saved in LM. i see no clause in said rule that states "immediately saved" or anything similar. the game is part of the org file. it made it in there just fine, tho with a slight delay. why is there any debate as to whether or not its a valid game?

if we go with the "common sense" rule sometimes pushed by some members of the league, i think common sense dictates that this game should be official.

perhaps next year someone can suggest an amendment to the rule which includes a time limit.

posted by Greg Nims 4/20/00

what about bob?

First of all, Steve once again mentioned that we get rid of the e-machine. I know it sucks, but what are our options? Anyone?

Secondly, I heard about the League Manager screw up Saturday afternoon but didn't have much of an opinion of it until the next day when Bob, while passing me the ham at a nice pre-Easter dinner, suggested I did some voodoo when I left Friday night. It seemed obvious to me that the problem was the game's driver likely hit "game" instead of "league" when setting up the game. But I cannot verify this. And I cannot verify that I didn't do anything when I was backing up the organization onto my floppy -- I was covered in cheese popcorn and only moderately sober. So if it was I who screwed Bob out of the immediate feeling of victory, I am sorry, and if the error was a response to something I did, I apologize to the league for making us debate this error instead of another successful games-a-palooza-jamboree.

My initial opinion was that Bob, Steve or whomever shouldn't be pissed about the APBA computer game if they refuse empower themselves -- I don't want to be responsible for driving during a Steve-Bob game as much as they don't want me driving. So how do they get empowered? When I was a little shaver and I felt my devious brother Ken was ripping me off when we made APBA baseball trades, I learned as much as I could, then only traded with him again when I felt I was on the same knowledge level. Following my response to dealing with devious brother Ken, I think all "unempowered" owners should play the game at every opportunity and learn -- or understand that their complaints will fall on mostly deaf ears, just as my outbursts related to Ken taking Eddie Murray from me for Mike Hargrove garnered little sympathy in the Summer of '82.

In any event, I (17-23 .425 - "scrub manager") hope Bob (14-17 .452 - "Da Coach") doesn't leave the SL because of this latest flap, as Steve (21-20 .512 - "Rainbow Warrior") suggests.

posted by Keith Klein 4/18/00

tomorrow night sched

Here's a suggested schedule that Chris and I came up with:

Joe-Greg 9:30 am
Bob-Ken 6pm
Ken-Greg 7pm
Bob-Greg 8 pm
Keith-Bob 9 pm
Dave-Steve 10pm
Bob-Steve 11 pm
Ken-Chris 12 pm

Feel free to email me/Chris your comments.

BTW -- Here are arrival times that people have suggested to Chris and I:

Joe -- working all day at Twin
Bob -- probably available after 4 pm
Ken -- probably available after 4 pm
Dave -- after Cub game, s/b about 7 pm
Greg -- after Cub game, s/b about 7 pm (riding w/ Dave)
Keith -- about 8:30, 9pm
Steve -- about 9 pm
Steve -- about 9 pm (riding w/ Steve)

posted by Keith Klein 4/13/00

Re: This Friday

posted by Greg Nims 4/11/00

Re: next friday

Ken will be in attendance.
I will become more available. My weds and thurs have opened up as the wed nite (hellish) co ed vball league is now ending and the Trustmark bowling league has unfortunately had its final thursday nite contest. (i bowled an even 90 the last game of the season- left handed. the 2 gutter spares saved my score)
ken

posted by Ken Klein 4/7/00

Re: last night

we have to seriously discuss breaking up the runaway train that is Conrad

posted by Chris Klein 4/7/00